CLASS ACTION - Pursuant to EU Directive 2020/1828

[bmwi3fire]

Dear BMW i3 Owners,

You are now invited to join a CLASS ACTION against BMW. Please write to [email protected]

I have asked various Qualified Entities to bring Representative Action (Class Action) against BMW for the aspects pertaining to endangerment of life such as:

1) The use of a highly flammable material in its structure.

2) The entrapment of rear passengers in the event of fire by suicide doors and seatbelts location.

3) The absence of warning in the event of fire.

Should you have identified any further dangers in the design of BMW i3, please feel free to share.

 

[madasa fish]

1> is risible.
ALL ICE vehicles include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL BEVs include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL planes include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL houses include plastics which are highly inflammable.

 

[bmwi3fire]

1> is risible.
ALL ICE vehicles include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL BEVs include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL planes include plastics which are highly inflammable.
ALL houses include plastics which are highly inflammable.

Corect. INCLUDE plastics. However, a fire risk assessment must be carried out and control measures must be put in place where risks are identified.

Homes are not made from plastic, because there are Building Regulations. Cars are not (generally) made of plastic because there are Type Approval regulations.

Most EVs are not MADE OF plastic, for the above mentioned reason. Not the I3 though...

In other words, the I3 surrounds you in a fuel. The amount of which, matters.

 

[mojo]

2) The entrapment of rear passengers in the event of fire by suicide doors and seatbelts location.

Unfortunately you can pick on pretty much any 2-door, 4-seat car and accuse the manufacturer of "entrapment of rear passengers". Cars have been made like that for decades, and there must be many millions of them on the roads of the world. How could that "problem" be solved?

BTW - you should avoid the use of the term "suicide doors". The term is meaningless on a car like the i3 where it is impossible to open the rear doors without already having opened the front doors.

 

[bmwi3fire]

It seems the term "suicide doors" existed for a while.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_door

 

[mojo]

Exactly my point. The article that you link to actually refers to the i3, and says that the correct term is "clamshell door". The term "suicide door" is an ancient emotive one, based on the idea that someone could commit suicide by jumping out of the door while the car is in motion - quite clearly it doesn't apply to the i3.

 

[bmwi3fire]

Exactly my point. The article that you link to actually refers to the i3, and says that the correct term is "clamshell door". The term "suicide door" is an ancient emotive one, based on the idea that someone could commit suicide by jumping out of the door while the car is in motion - quite clearly it doesn't apply to the i3.

very well. you call them "Clamshell doors", I call them "suicide doors".

Tomatoes, Tomatoes, Potatoes, Potatoes.

As long as we both have a clear understanding as to what the other refers to, all shall be good.

 

[madasa fish]

Corect. INCLUDE plastics. However, a fire risk assessment must be carried out and control measures must be put in place where risks are identified.

Homes are not made from plastic, because there are Building Regulations. Cars are not (generally) made of plastic because there are Type Approval regulations.

Most EVs are not MADE OF plastic, for the above mentioned reason. Not the I3 though...

In other words, the I3 surrounds you in a fuel. The amount of which, matters.

You DO realise that petrol tanks for ICEs are made of plastic?
That many engine parts: sump and rocker covers : are made of plastic?
As the most dangerous parts of an ICE car are made of plastic, your claim will be likely dismissed out of hand.

 

[BL5]

Driving down the road is a danger. I think class action against poor design might get more traction than fires. Hmmm, exploding AC lines, plastic motor mounts, KLE units' death is what I hear the most about in BMW i3s, not vehicle fires.

 

[Jim0el]

Driving down the road is a danger. I think class action against poor design might get more traction than fires. Hmmm, exploding AC lines, plastic motor mounts, KLE units' death is what I hear the most about in BMW i3s, not vehicle fires.

And what about that idiotic tempered glass panel beneath the rear window? When the backup sensors fail to notice a standing post, a 1mph collision takes that panel out, and there's no replacement part: the whole hatchback has to be discarded and replaced.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

2) The entrapment of rear passengers in the event of fire by suicide doors and seatbelts location.

Gee, that was tricky of BMW to hide that from you until after you purchased the car.

 

[mojo]

Gee, that was tricky of BMW to hide that from you until after you purchased the car.

Any case based on supposed "entrapment" of the rear passengers will fail anyway, because BMW provide both rear passengers with a release - at eye level - that allows them to tilt each of the front seat backs forward. If you're in the back seat, you don't actually *have* to open the rear doors to get out. Of course, it would be inelegant to exit the car that way, but if the engine is on fire behind you I have no doubt most passengers would put up with inelegance!

 

[nickp]

OP. Good luck.

 

[mojo]

Sorry to have to say it, but just repeating the same thing over and over again won't strengthen your case at all.

None of the three things that you refer to in your OP stand up to any sort of examination, and the use of deliberately loaded terms such as "glorified bin bag" won't impress anyone when it comes to assessing a legal case [Edit: the post with that wording in seems to have been deleted now].

If you're going to make any progress with this, you need to find evidence that the design is actually dangerous. I.e. evidence of people actually being trapped in the car. As far as I'm aware, that has never actually happened.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

If you do a search, this guy is a troll who is getting exactly what he wants.

 

[mojo]

Trolling, or fishing expedition? He seems eager to get people to contact him directly, away from the forum.